Hey people. Just a quick post.
I stumbled on this post today. I left a response which was left to moderation for approval. I suspected it would be deleted, so I copied it to my computer just in case. Disappointingly, I was right.
I could let it slide – but it’s an example of a particularly ghoulish tendency I’ve noticed amongst a certain kind of religious believer. They’ll take some tragedy, and then twist that tragedy into something they can use to tar those they disagree with. It’s feeding on the suffering of others. It’s vulturish, disgusting, and – in this particular case – very unchristian.
For all my dissagreements with Christians and other theists, I can at least take on board that the vast majority are moderate, average human beings. Sure, we dissagree on a few things, and I have a beef with certain aspects of those disagreements. But I can happily co-exist with most believers.
But there are some people who call themselves a Christian that must make other Christians cringe with embarrassment. The Wintery Knight post above – and this is not the first time I’ve had a comment deleted by this individual – is just such a cringe-worthy example. I don’t feel comfortable letting it slide. I need to show the reasonable believers out there exactly why belief can sometimes get under my skin. Sometimes we atheists froth at the mouth, it’s true. But sometimes, it’s for good reason.
Here is Wintery Knight’s post, just in case he (I presume it’s a he) deletes or edits it later.
A Christian woman accused of distributing the Bible, a book banned in communist North Korea, was publicly executed last month for the crime, South Korean activists said Friday.
The 33-year-old mother of three, Ri Hyon Ok, also was accused of spying for South Korea and the United States, and of organizing dissidents, a rights group said in Seoul, citing documents obtained from the North.
The Investigative Commission on Crime Against Humanity report included a copy of Ri’s government-issued photo ID and said her husband, children and parents were sent to a political prison the day after her June 16 execution.
A woman’s human rights are violated by a left-wing communist dictator. Where is the outcry from the secular left? Where is the Hollywood elite? Where is the ACLU? Is she not the right kind of victim?
Is there a difference between the atheist Kim Jong Il and other atheists like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens? Is the murder of this woman wrong, on atheism? Why is it wrong? Why is it rational to not murder innocent people, on atheism?
Below is my comment, now deleted.
Is there a difference between the atheist Kim Jong Il and other atheists like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?
I challenge you thus: Find a single reference from something that Harris, Dawkins, or Hitchens actually wrote that suggests that any of them would be anything but dismayed at the plight of the woman so executed.
Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens are free thinkers. They are committed to freedom of speech and freedom of thought – particularly Hitchens. The death penalty for practicing religion is against everything they stand for.
You are correct that an execution over religious opinion and practice is deplorable. Your attempt to twist this unfortunate and tragic event so you can use it to tar the names of free-thinkers over their opinions, with which you disagree, is as ghoulish as it is hypocritical and disgusting.
I just want to re-iterate that I’m not holding this up as an example of all believers. Happily, many of my friends are religious believers, and I know that they would never be so base as to stoop to Wintery Knight’s tactics of bearing false witness against atheists in order to attempt a ghoulish act of emotional blackmail.
I’m not going to let this stand unchallenged. I call you out, Wintery Knight. You’ve borne false witness against atheists – that’s supposed to be a sin to you. My challenge stands. Find me a single reference relating to something that Harris, Dawkins, or Hitchens actually wrote or said that supports your conception that any of them would be anything but aghast at the plight of the woman who was so executed.
I am confident you’ll be unable to produce one. Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens are freethinkers – all three of them are ardent supporters of free speech. As are Daniel Dennett, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Victor Stegner, Stephen Pinker, and many thousands and perhaps millions of other atheists who are not so well known as these.
You have borne false witness against we atheists, Wintery Knight. You’ve lied about us. You owe us – and God – an apology.
I invite you to set the record straight.